M P O'Connor Horse Racing Form | Gowran Park 13:23 11th November 2023

towards rear, pushed along after 4 out, kept on one pace from next

always towards rear, never a factor, bumped 4th, weakened after 4 out, completely tailed off

mid division, 6th halfway, pushed along to go 4th after 2 out, soon ridden and kept on one pace

mid-division, progress before 6th, 5th after 8th, lost place before 2 out, weakened

rear of mid-division, 9th halfway, headway after 3 out, 5th last, stayed on run-in to 2nd closing stages, not trouble winner

tracked leader, 2nd before 7th, closed before 2 out, strongly challenged leader inside final furlong, kept on, held in 3rd

midfield, in touch with leaders 3 out, not fluent 2 out, soon ridden, disputed 2nd approaching last, weakened run-in

towards rear, slow 1st and 2nd, 7th halfway, bad mistake 6 out, 5th and pushed along after 4 out, no extra approaching straight and pulled up before 2 out

towards rear early, progress into mid-division from halfway, pushed along in 7th before 2 out where not fluent, soon no extra and kept on same pace

led briefly, headed after 1st and tracked leaders, 3rd halfway, ridden and no impression on leaders after 3 out, kept on one pace from before last

towards rear for most, slight mistake 5th, ridden and no impression before straight

always towards rear, ridden and no extra 3 out

held up towards rear, ridden in 9th and no impression before 2 out, kept on one pace, slight mistake last

held up towards rear, closer in 5th after 3 out, ridden in 4th 2 out, under pressure in 3rd before last, kept on one pace

towards rear, 9th halfway, no impression from 3 out

tracked leaders, 2nd 3 out, ridden in 2nd next, 3rd entering straight, no impression

disputed lead early, slight mistake and headed 2nd, pushed along behind leaders at 7th, soon ridden and weakened

soon led narrowly, headed after 2nd, lost place and reminder after 4th, 7th before 5th, lost place and weakened before 3 out, pulled up before 2 out

towards rear, effort and progress after 3 out, kept on one pace after 2 out, no danger

tracked leaders, moderate 3rd halfway, ridden in 6th entering straight, soon no extra, weakened

always towards rear, ridden and no extra before straight, pulled up before 2 out

towards rear and not fluent at times, 9th halfway, pushed along and progress from 3 out, ridden in 4th before next, went 3rd before last and no impression on easy winner, kept on same pace run-in

mid-division, took closer order to track leaders before 5 out, not fluent 3 out and edged right, soon no extra and weakened

rear of mid-division, hampered 1st, pushed along after 4 out, soon weakened and pulled up after next

rear, effort and progress before 2 out, no impression after 2 out, no extra run-in

tracked leaders, 3rd at 6th, pushed along and no impression after 2 out, kept on one pace run-in

towards rear, jumped left 3rd, 5th from 3 out and soon pushed along, no impression and kept on same pace from before next

led, joined from 3rd, headed 8th, weakened 3 out, pulled up before last

chased leader, 3rd halfway, ridden entering straight, no impression when drifted left and hampered rival 2 out, soon no extra and weakened

mid division, progress into 4th halfway, led 6 out, pushed along and headed entering straight, no impression in 3rd 2 out, soon ridden and kept on again to go 2nd over 150 yards out

mid-division, not fluent 1st, 8th halfway, pushed along and no impression after 4 out, no extra, behind and pulled up before last

tracked leaders, left 2nd after 6th, dropped to 5th and pushed along 3 out, ridden and kept on one pace run-in

always towards rear, mistake 2nd, jinked right and hit wing next, soon detached, closer in rear halfway, reminder after 5 out and no extra before 3 out

mid-division, ridden and weakened before 3 out

tracked leaders, ridden and no impression in 5th before 3 out, slight mistake 2 out, no extra

always towards rear, no impression from 4 out, pulled up before next

always towards rear, never a factor, pushed along and detached after 4 out, no extra

mid-division, pushed along at times, slow 3rd and 4th and soon dropped to rear, 7th 6 out, 6th after 3 out, no impression in 4th when pecked 2 out, ridden after 2 out, kept on one pace

rear, 12th after 4 out, good headway after 3 out, led narrowly 2 out, headed before last, weakened closing stages

soon led, jumped left, hampered rival 3 out, disputed next, pushed along on inner approaching last, soon ridden and headed, dropped to 3rd run-in, no extra and kept on one pace

tracked leader, 3rd after 6th, not fluent at 7th, closed in 2nd before 2 out, led narrowly after 2 out, kept on run-in, headed closing stages, not match winner

tracked leader, 2nd halfway, 3rd 2 out, ridden and dropped to 5th at last, no extra run-in

towards rear, 9th halfway, pushed along after 4 out, no impression when bad mistake 3 out, pulled up before next

tracked leaders, 2nd halfway, headway on outer to lead entering straight, pushed along before 2 out, soon ridden and kept on well from last

mid-division, headway to 4th after 6th, 3rd after 7th, no impression 2 out, slight mistake last, kept on one pace in moderate 3rd

rear of mid division, 14th halfway, no impression from 3 out, pulled up before 2 out

soon led, headed before 6th, pushed along and lost place approaching 2 out, soon no extra and in rear when pulled up before last

tracked leader, led after 2nd, bumped and hit rail before 2 out where pressed, pushed along and headed entering straight, 3rd at last, soon ridden and no impression, no extra in 5th final 100 yards

towards rear, pushed along and reminders after 2nd, pushed along in moderate 7th after 4 out, no extra from 3 out

tracked leader in 2nd, pushed along before 3 out, ridden and mistake 2 out, disputed 2nd and no impression on winner after 2 out, 3rd when slight mistake last, kept on one pace

mid-division, 9th 4 out, ridden and weakened before next, tailed off

prominent, tracked leader in 2nd after 3rd, pushed along after 4 out, 5th 3 out, no extra

prominent, disputed 2nd, headed after next and 5th halfway, pushed along in 6th 2 out, soon ridden and no impression, stayed on to 3rd at last, 2nd after last, kept on one pace

tracked leaders, 2nd halfway, mistake 4 out, 3rd 3 out, 4th 2 out, ridden and no impression in 3rd approaching last, kept on one pace

mid-division, ridden and no extra after 3 out

tracked leaders, left 4th at 5th, 5th before next, pushed along and no impression before 3 out, mistake 3 out, no extra

mid-division, headway after 4 out, 5th 3 out, 3rd after next, pushed along in 2nd approaching last, ridden and no impression when slightly hampered run-in, kept on same pace

mid division, 6th halfway, headway into 4th after 2 out, went 3rd before last, soon ridden and kept on one pace inside final furlong

prominent, closed after 5th, led before 7th, increased lead after 7th, reduced advantage and under pressure after 2 out, headed last, one paced in clear 2nd run-in

tracked leader, jumped right at 1st and bumped rival, lost place at 2nd where not fluent, in rear after 3rd, detached before 9th, weakened, pulled up after 4 out

mid division, 5th halfway, 4th after 3 out, headway on outer to go 2nd after 2 out, soon ridden and dropped to 3rd after last, no extra

rear of mid division, 7th halfway, pushed along after 2 out, went 6th last, kept on well to go 4th over 100 yards out

tracked leaders on inner, not fluent at times, progress before 3 out and soon dispute lead, pushed along and headed before 2 out, no extra in 4th from last and dropped to 5th run-in

led, not fluent 4 out and headed, remained close in 2nd and ridden from 2 out, renewed effort between horses approaching last and soon disputed lead, kept on best to lead close home

towards rear, some progress before 2 out, kept on one pace before last

rear, niggled along early, slightly detached after 2nd, closed up on field after 5th, under pressure after 4 out, effort 2 out, stayed on before last, never on terms

mid-division, mistake 5th, pushed along 5 out, soon no extra, pulled up before 2 out

mid-division, pushed along in 7th when badly hampered 3 out, soon ridden and weakened, tailed off

tracked leaders, mistake 1st, slightly hampered next, 3rd after 3rd, 2nd 4 out, not fluent next, soon pushed along and no impression, slight mistake and dropped to 3rd at last, kept on one pace

always towards rear, never a factor, pushed along and detached before 5 out, soon weakened, well behind and pulled up before 4 out

tracked leaders, 3rd halfway, headway to lead 2 out, soon pushed along and drew clear run-in

tracked leaders, 5th halfway, pushed along and no impression after 3 out, slightly hampered and left moderate 3rd 2 out, no extra, kept on one pace

towards rear, 11th after 8th, weakened after 3 out, never a factor

rear, jumped slightly left at 3rd, not fluent at 4th, slightly detached in 7th at 5th, niggled along before next, detached 4 out, weakened before 2 out, left moderate 4th last

towards rear, slight mistake at 1st and dropped to rear, not fluent at 5th, soon niggled along and reminder, improved to 3rd at 6th, 4th after 4 out, weakened in moderate 5th 2 out

in rear, not fluent at 3rd and slightly detached, closed up on field at 5th, slightly detached 4 out where mistake and detached, hampered after 3 out, never a factor, pulled up before 2 out

in touch, 3rd at 2nd, 4th at 4th, closed at 6th, led after 7th, increased advantage at 8th, reduced lead 3 out, travelled well and asserted before 2 out, clear last, easily

towards rear, slight mistake at 3rd, 12th after 8th, progress 2 out, soon ridden, no extra in 8th run-in

always towards rear, slight mistakes 1st and 2nd, weakened 3 out, tailed off

mid-division, 7th 3 out, ridden in 6th next, 4th at last, no impression

made all, ridden after 2 out, stayed on strongly run-in

rear of mid-division, no impression from 4 out, never a factor, tailed off

bucked at start and unseated rider

disputed lead, bumped at 1st, not fluent next, left in front 4 out, ridden and headed 2 out, 2nd when mistake at last, no impression on winner inside final furlong, kept on one pace in 2nd

rear of mid-division, pushed along at times early, no impression from 4 out, never a factor

mid division, 5th halfway, pushed along after 3 out, ridden after next, soon no extra and kept on one pace

towards rear early, soon improved into mid-division, took closer from 4 out and ridden from next, 4th from 2 out and kept on into 3rd run-in, not threatening principals

never better than mid-division, not fluent 5th, dropped to rear from 5 out, no extra when slow jump next and soon pulled up

mid-division, not fluent 8th, pushed along and dropped towards rear from 6 out, not fluent next, some progress from 4 out and ridden in 6th from next, soon no impression and kept on into 5th before last

tracked leaders, 2nd at 6th, disputed lead at 8th, led next, ridden and headed before last, 3rd at last, no impression

rear of mid-division on inner, no impression from 3 out, never a factor

mid-division, 10th halfway, pushed along when mistake 2 out, soon no extra and kept on one pace

raced mainly in 2nd, dropped to 3rd and pushed along before 3 out, ridden to challenge in share of 2nd before last, kept on best run-in to lead inside final 50 yards

mid-division, mistake 1st and 4th, pushed along and no impression from 2 out, some late headway

led, slow 3rd and 4th, joined 8th and headed after next, led again briefly after 4 out, 2nd and pushed along before 2 out where mistake, ridden and no impression on winner before last, kept on one pace

mid-division, 7th halfway, ridden after 3 out and dropped towards rear entering straight, kept on one pace after 2 out

tracked leaders, 3rd halfway, slight mistake 4 out, 5th next, pushed along and no impression entering straight, moderate 4th before last, kept on one pace

tracked leaders, 5th halfway, pushed along after 3 out and 4th entering straight, 5th and ridden approaching last, kept on one pace run-in

held up towards rear, slight mistake 3rd, ridden in 7th before 3 out, soon no impression

held up towards rear, progress into 7th before 2 out, ridden in moderate 6th after 2 out, stayed on into 5th last, kept on same pace run-in

rear, jumped poorly first circuit and several mistakes, trailing halfway, pulled up before last

led, mistake 1st, slight mistake 3rd, pressed before 2 out, ridden and headed after 2 out, no impression before last where mistake, no extra run-in

prominent, not fluent at 2nd, moderate 3rd after 3rd, moderate 4th at 5th, under pressure and lost place before 3 out, weakened and pulled up before 2 out

mid-division, ridden and no impression before 2 out, kept on one pace

tracked leaders, pushed along and dropped to rear 4th, no extra after 3 out, completely tailed off

rear of mid-division, mistake 3 out, ridden and no impression in 6th when mistake 2 out, kept on one pace

disputed, ran freely, headed 2nd, led halfway, headed before 2 out, soon pushed along and no extra, 4th when mistake last, lost 4th on line

held up in touch in rear, 6th at 6th, pushed along in 5th before 2 out, 3rd 2 out, ridden and no impression before last, kept on one pace

towards rear, tracked leaders 5th, pushed along and lost place 11th, soon weakened, pulled up before 3 out

mid division, 11th halfway, headway into 6th before 2 out, went 4th last, soon ridden and kept on

tracked leaders, 3rd halfway, lost place 3 out, soon ridden and no extra

soon tracked leaders, 5th halfway, ridden in 4th after 2 out, no impression before last, kept on one pace

held up, struggling home turn, late headway for 6th

always towards rear, never a factor

always towards rear, never a factor, no extra after 3 out, well behind and pulled up before next

rear of mid-division early, mid-division halfway, pushed along and no impression after 3 out, no extra in straight

disputed lead, slight mistake 2nd, mistake and headed 8th, ridden and weakened 3 out

towards rear, slight mistake 3rd, pushed along and no impression after 3 out, kept on one pace without threatening, never a factor

held up in rear, headway after 3 out and went 5th before next, ridden and no impression in 4th before last, kept on one pace, lost 4th close home

mid-division, 6th halfway, pushed along in 9th after 3 out, no impression before next, kept on one pace without threatening

prominent early, soon tracked leaders, 8th halfway, pushed along in 5th after 2 out, went 3rd at last where left 2nd, soon ridden and no impression on winner, kept on same pace

led, joined 3 out, headed 2 out, pushed along in 4th before last, ridden in 3rd 1f out, stayed on to 2nd final 100 yards, no impression on winner, kept on same pace

led a little keen, increased lead before 2nd, clear at 4th, not fluent at 6th, reduced advantage at 7th, headed after 4 out, dropped to 5th and weakened before 3 out, bumped rival 2 out, tailed off

rear, slightly detached at 5th, detached 4 out, never a factor, pulled up before 3 out

always towards rear, ridden and no extra 4 out, weakened and completed tailed off

settled behind leaders, moderate 6th halfway, ridden to close before 3 out, under pressure in 4th 2 out, no impression on winner in 2nd last, kept on one pace

tracked leaders, 3rd halfway, ridden and no extra after 4 out

mid-division, good headway after 2 out, strongly challenged leader before last, ridden and kept on well run-in to lead final stride

towards rear, pushed along and some headway after 3 out and 7th approaching straight, soon no impression and no extra after 2 out

mid-division well off pace, moderate 9th halfway, pushed along approaching straight and no extra before 2 out, weakened

mid-division, 8th before 10th, no impression 3 out, lost place and weakened before 2 out, tailed off

towards rear, not fluent at 3rd, weakened and detached at 6th where jumped left, never a factor, pulled up before 2 out

soon led, headed 2 out, pushed along and dropped to 6th before last, soon ridden and weakened

tracked leaders early, mid-division from 3rd, slight mistake 3 out, ridden into 4th before 2 out, no extra before last

made all, ridden to assert after 2 out, clear before last where steadied and slight mistake, kept on strongly run-in

disputed early, tracked leader from 2nd, ridden and no impression on leader entering straight, no extra in 4th last, kept on one pace

prominent and led after 1st, mistake 6th, slight mistake 2 out and headed, 3rd and ridden approaching last, no extra run-in

rear of mid-division and well off pace, moderate 6th halfway, no extra before 3 out, weakened, tailed off

chased leader, closer in 5th halfway, 3rd and bad mistake 2 out, pushed along approaching last, ridden and no impression in 4th entering straight, no extra final 150 yards

disputed lead, led from 6th, not fluent 10th, headed 12th, ridden and dropped to 7th 3 out, weakened

tracked leaders, 4th 3 out, soon pushed along, headway to dispute lead and ridden after 2 out, headed inside final furlong, kept on same pace

held up in last, slight mistakes 3rd and 5th, pushed along briefly 6th, closer in 6th 4 out, soon ridden and no impression

made most, pushed along and joined 3 out, soon ridden and strongly pressed, led again after last, stayed on well inside final furlong

made all, jumped left at 5th, travelling well after 2 out, pushed along before last, ridden and stayed on well run-in

rear of mid-division, mid-division halfway, pushed along and 8th entering straight, soon switched right and ridden in 7th before last, kept on one pace run-in

towards rear, mistake 5 out and 9th approaching next, pushed along entering straight, 7th and ridden before last, kept on run-in

tracked leaders, 4th halfway, ridden 2 out, no extra in 5th before last where slight mistake

held up towards rear, progress after 4 out, 5th 2 out, ridden and no impression before last, kept on one pace

led, clear at halfway, reduced advantage 3 out, mistake and headed 2 out, soon ridden and weakened

mid-division, 9th on outer 2 out, ridden entering straight, no impression

soon tracked leader, 4th before 6th, improved to 2nd 4 out, lost place before 2 out, under pressure and weakened after 2 out

close up, 2nd after 5th, lost place after 3 out, weakened quickly before 2 out, pulled up before last

held up towards rear, 10th after 4th, progress after 2 out, no impression in 7th last, kept on run-in, never on terms

towards rear, stumbled on landing and unseated rider 3rd

always towards rear, ridden and no extra before 4 out, weakened and completled tailed off

in rear, slightly detached before 2nd, mistake at 4th, detached at 6th, closed up on field after 8th, slightly hampered after 10th and detached, never a factor, pulled up before 2 out

rear of mid-division, 7th after 6th, effort after 4 out, 5th before 2 out, no impression in 6th 2 out, weakened before last

towards rear, moderate 8th after 6th, weakened after 3 out, never a factor

towards rear, pushed along 7th, soon ridden and weakened, pulled up after 3 out

led, headed 4th and 2nd halfway, pushed along and lost place after 2 out, soon no extra

tracked leaders early, 11th halfway, no extra after 16th and behind when pulled up after 7 out

soon led and clear before 3rd, slight mistake 4th, 10 lengths lead halfway, reduced advantage 2 out, soon ridden and headed, no impression on winner from before last, kept on one pace

rear of mid-division, some headway 3 out, 9th 2 out, ridden and kept on one pace without threatening

tracked leaders, ran freely, 2nd halfway and disputed 7th, headed 3 out, ridden and no impression in 2nd when mistake last, no extra

tracked leaders, headway to lead 3rd, pushed along and headed 3 out, soon no extra

slowly away and in rear early, soon tracked leaders, 3rd halfway, pushed along in 4th before 3 out, ridden and no impression after 2 out, kept on one pace, 3rd close home

mid-division, bumped 4th, 7th halfway, pushed along in 5th 2 out, soon ridden and no impression

held up, towards rear halfway, progress in 6th entering straight, disputed approaching 2 out, headed and ridden after 2 out, no extra in 4th before last, kept on same pace

in touch, 5th on inner before 5th, progress to 3rd before 7th, 4th after 8th, lost place and weakened before 2 out

close up, a little keen, 5th after 6th, lost place and weakened approaching straight, pulled up before last

led, not fluent at 1st, not fluent 2 out, headed before last, weakened in 3rd closing stages, dropped to 4th on line

tracked leader, 2nd before 4th, not fluent at 5th, 3rd after 3 out, closed entering straight, 4th 2 out where left 3rd, no impression after 2 out, weakened before last

mid-division early, dropped to rear and slow 5th, reminders and slow again 6th, soon detached, pushed along and no impression after 6 out, pulled up after next

soon led, pushed along and headed approaching 2 out, soon ridden and no impression in 4th before last, no extra

towards rear, reminder after 1st, some headway into mid-division halfway, pushed along and no impression entering straight, no extra from 2 out

led, joined 5 out, headed after 4 out, weakened next

made all, ridden and 4-length advantage before last, kept on well run-in

tracked leaders, 4th halfway, disputed approaching 2 out where mistake, soon headed and ridden, no extra before last

always behind, pushed along 2nd, tailed off when pulled up before 3 out

tracked leaders, 5th halfway, pushed along and no impression in 7th approaching straight, went remote 5th before last, kept on one pace

soon tracking leaders on inside, pushed along after 2 out, weakened on long run to the last

mid-division, 6th after 4th, progress before 3 out, closed in 3rd after 3 out, challenged leader 2 out, led narrowly run-in, kept on best closing stages

rear, mistake at 9th and dropped to moderate 11th, some progress after 3 out, no impression in moderate 7th before 2 out where left moderate 6th, no extra

rear of mid-division, moderate 9th after 6th, lost place before 3 out where bad mistake, pulled up before 2 out

towards rear, headway after 4 out, 6th 3 out, pushed along and weakened before 2 out, pulled up before last

tracked leaders, not fluent 2nd, headway to 3rd before 3 out, disputed before 2 out, headed after 2 out, ridden in 2nd and no impression before last, kept on one pace

mid-division, 8th halfway, pushed along in 4th after 3 out, ridden in moderate 5th 2 out, no extra

rear, a little keen, moderate 7th after 2nd, progress to moderate 5th after 3 out, stayed on in moderate 4th 2 out where left moderate 3rd, kept on run-in, no extra close home

rear, moderate 14th after 5th, detached 4 out, weakened after 3 out, never a factor

towards rear, 10th after 5th, weakened after 3 out, mistake 2 out, never a factor

held up in last, pushed along 9th, ridden and off pace in last 3 out, moderate 5th 2 out, 4th at last, no impression

tracked leaders, 5th halfway, pushed along and lost place approaching straight, no extra after 2 out

mid-division, 7th halfway, headway 2 out, 3rd and pushed along entering straight, 2nd and ridden early run-in, kept on well, just failed

towards rear, effort and progress after 2 out, kept on one pace

disputed, led 2nd and made rest, 4 lengths lead 4 out, reduced lead next, not fluent 2 out, ridden and 2 lengths lead when not fluent last, stayed on well

rear of mid-division, pushed along after 3 out, ridden in 8th before next, no impression in 5th but staying on when mistake and unseated rider last

towards rear on inner, some headway after 3 out, ridden and no impression in 8th before next, no extra

always towards rear, off pace halfway, ridden and no extra after 3 out, never a factor

tracked leaders, mistake 1st, 4th halfway, slight mistake 3 out and pushed along before next, ridden and no impression in 6th before last where slightly hampered and left 5th, no extra

close up, 5th before 3rd, progress 3 out, strongly challenged leader before last, every chance in 2nd run-in, kept on, not match winner close home

towards rear, 13th before 5th, progress after 3 out, no impression in 10th after 2 out, kept on one pace

always towards rear, never a factor, bad mistake 3rd, ridden and no extra before 4 out

held up towards rear, some progress on outer approaching straight, ridden and no impression in 8th early straight, no extra

disputed briefy, tracked leaders from 2nd, 3rd halfway, ridden entering straight, no extra in 4th before 2 out, kept on one pace

tracked leaders, 5th halfway, improved to dispute after 3 out, ridden in 2nd before straight, disputed again entering straight, under pressure in 3rd and slight mistake 2 out, kept on one pace

tracked leaders early, mid-division halfway, ridden in moderate 7th and no impression after 3 out, kept on one pace

rear, no impression, weakened after 2 out, never a factor

towards rear, progress to 6th after 6th, lost place and weakened after 2 out, tailed off

rear of mid-division, bad mistake at 2nd and pulled up

led, slight mistake 6th, joined after 4 out, slight mistake and headed 2 out, soon ridden, no impression in 2nd last, kept on same pace

held up in mid-division, 6th halfway, closer in 5th after 3 out, ridden in 3rd before straight, disputed 2nd 2 out, under pressure in 3rd before last, kept on run-in

always behind, weakened 10th, tailed off

tracked leaders, 5th halfway, ridden and no extra 3 out, weakened and pulled up before last

held up towards rear, ridden into moderate 7th after 3 out, no impression in 5th 2 out, kept on one pace

rear of mid-division, weakened 9th, trailing next, pulled up before 3 out

held up in touch in last, reminder 5th, trailing and under pressure at 8th, pulled up before last

tracked leader, 3rd halfway, dropped to 5th before 4 out, ridden and effort run-in, kept on same pace in 4th closing stages

tracked leaders, 3rd halfway, mistake 9th, 6th and pushed along after 4 out, no extra after next, behind and pulled up approaching last

mid-division, 4th halfway, lost place approaching straight, pushed along and no extra in rear 2 out

tracked leader, led at 4th, jumped left and not fluent at 6th, increased advantage 3 out, reduced lead before 2 out, travelled well and asserted before last, ran on well, easily

rear, 11th after 8th, weakened and detached after 4 out, never a factor, pulled up before 3 out

led, headed at 8th, led narrowly 4 out, headed after 4 out, led narrowly 3 out, headed and dropped to 3rd 2 out, no extra before last

rear of mid-division, not fluent at 2nd, reminder after 4th, 11th after 5th, good headway before 3 out, pushed along before 2 out where not fluent in 5th, no extra